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intertext ([personal profile] intertext) wrote2007-05-26 05:23 pm

Bittercon: "I'm So Special"

For those on my flist not able to join [livejournal.com profile] oursin and [livejournal.com profile] brisingamen at Wiscon, or who did not go and have fun at Kalamazoo (or even those who did!) but who would like to participate in a Con panel, there is lively discussion at [livejournal.com profile] papersky, [livejournal.com profile] sartorias and [livejournal.com profile] katenepveu and others coordinated in the community [livejournal.com profile] bittercon. Here's my panel topic:

"I'm So Special" - Wish Fulfillment Fantasy and Science Fiction

From Harry Potter to Heroes, there's a whole sub-genre of SF in which the "outsider" suddenly discovers that he or she is not an outsider but a member of some elite class of beings (wizard, superhero, Herald). There is a sub-genre of this trope in which the person becomes special by being CHOSEN by some kind of sentient animal - think particularly of the works of Mercedes Lackey and Anne McCaffrey.

My question is not so much about the popularity of such a class of novels - I think the attraction is fairly obvious - but whether any of these authors, or others, have dealt with the notion of being the one NOT chosen. J K Rowling never really allows her characters to interact with "normal" Muggles, only the dreadful members of Harry's family - I'd love to read something from the perspective of such a character. There are several Pern novels in which some of the suspense is derived from the viewpoint character not being chosen by a dragon when expected to be so, but I believe that all of them end up with that character being chosen in the end.

I've often thought of writing something called "The Unchosen" from the perspective of someone in that position who feels, perhaps, bitter (hey - Bittercon!) and excluded. Do any works exist in which the main character is "normal" within a society such as I've described and comes to terms with it?

A related question is that these, with the possible exception of Harry Potter, seem to fall into the category of "guilty pleasure" reading - basically not terribly good books that are nevertheless fun escapism. Are there any "good" works, by which I mean books that you don't have to apologize for reading, that fall under this category? And if not, why not?

[identity profile] noveldevice.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
Brekke refuses to Impress again after Wirenth is killed by Prideth.

[identity profile] intertext.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
Right - I'd forgotten her. That subject - what happens when the imprinted animal/whatever dies - is touched on in most of the works. I think there are several instances of it in Lackey, for example. In the early Jennifer Roberson series about - is it the Cheysuli? - that becomes an important plot point as I think I remember that the human dies or goes mad with the death of his/her totem animal.

[identity profile] noveldevice.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't read any Roberson, but Lackey has only one Unchosen: Tylendel, and even he gets a second chance, though not as a Herald. In His Dark Materials, sundered children become like ghosts...

It's an interesting point.

Ooh, here: The Hallowed Hunt isn't shameful escapist brain-candy.

[identity profile] intertext.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
But Tylendel was chosen in the first place, wasn't he? Then gets a special job when his Companion dies iirc.

I suppose you could call whatsisname the engineer in that last series of Valdemar books an "Unchosen" but he has special skills that make him part of the elite group. I think I remember one short story either by Lackey or by a fanfic writer, in one of the Valdemar story collections, about a woman who does not get chosen, and it was actually one of the more powerful in the collection.

[identity profile] lotusice.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
I'd suggest Elric of Melniboné (Moorcock) as a good example.

[identity profile] rysmiel.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, Elric is chosen all right, just by a particularly perverse and unsympathetic god, among other supernatural entities. Chosen for dire things is not the same thing as having a boring everyday sort life. And the thing about having a boring everyday sort of life is that it's really not easy to make compelling stories about. Though I'd nominate Maureen McHugh as someonwe with a gift for this, particulalry in China Mountain Zhang.

[identity profile] noveldevice.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
He was Chosen and then repudiated by his Companion, who then did "suicide by wyrsa". He went insane and hung himself. Then he's reincarnated as Steffan the bard.

Keren's twin brother Teren wasn't Chosen till he was an adult; she was Chosen at the normal age.

[identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, what a good topic. This is something I used to think about a lot. (And write about a lot, but gassing on about one's stuff is irritating enough in one's own blog, but unforgivably in someone else's.)

Trying to think of examples where I've seen it done. The closest coming to mind right now is the romantic version, an early novel by McKillip, illustrated by her sister (the seventies style of the drawings is mindboggling) called The Night Gift. She deals extraordinarily well with being the one Not Picked, even though it's by a boy, and not by The Fates or Destiny to be Queen of the Megaverse, complete with violet eyes.

[identity profile] ponygirl2000.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
China Mieville's latest, Un Lun Dun, is pretty much just that - a book where the Chosen One's sidekick is the heroine. She gets pretty bitter at one point when a prophecy describes her as "the funny one."

Mieville's not subtle with some of his points but it's quite well done.

[identity profile] a-d-medievalist.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
This might be a stretch, but what about when the outsider finds this out, but ends up being the anti-hero throughout the book? Sorry -- sleepy at the moment, but I was thinking of one of the Darkover Novels ... Two to Conquer, I think. Actually, there are all kinds of being chosen -- and rejected -- in that particular book. And I just mixed up Bard and Paul in my head. But I think the point I started out with was that there we have an example of several kinds of being 'chosen' and having that status taken away.

For me, I have to say that the first six Deryni books never seemed like a guilty pleasure, and I think that Kelson at least fits your 'outsider who gets powers' scheme. Of course, I was at school when I read those. Dunno how guilty I'd feel now!

[identity profile] a-d-medievalist.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
What about Carrot?

[identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
George R. R. Martin's written a couple of short stories from that perspective: "Slideshow," about a guy who gets to explore space once, but isn't good enough to be chosen again; "Fast-friend," about a guy who doesn't get a Spider Robinson-type space symbiont, arguably "A Song For Lya," though the path the hero doesn't take is is of highly dubious merit.

Martin and Lisa Tuttle's Windhaven has a heroine who starts out as a Chosen One, but [spoilers elided] doesn't stay one.

This may be a theme more commonly explored in short stories than novels, as it tends to be depressing, and few sf and fantasy writers want to be depressing for an entire novel.

[identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
But isn't Carrot really king in all but name and trappings?

[identity profile] a-d-medievalist.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry ... me again. Cooper's Dark is Rising sequence had lots of examples, if I understand you correctly. The Drew children are all pretty normal, and stay that way. They are normal human foils to those who are chosen. Their humanity gives them strength, and also puts them at risk. But they are all central characters who have to consciously deal with the fact that they don't have those powers. Magic happens around them, and to them, but their roles are mostly reactive.

In that same vein, how would you categorise the children of this world in The Chronicles of Narnia (i.e., leaving out Narnians like Cor in The Horse and His Boy and Caspian)? I can see the argument for the Pevensies being chosen, but really, their coming is foretold more than that they are 'chosen' (unless you want to talk theology!). But if the Pevensies are, I think it's clear that Eustace is not, at least, not in Dawn Treader.

[identity profile] a-d-medievalist.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
It's a good question. I think Vimes knows he is, but does Carrot ever really find out that he is? I think part of the joke is that we all know that Carrot is the true king (how funny to be talking about this on May 26!), but he remains blissfully unaware of it. He acts like the perfect king (of a constitutional democracy), and people react to him as if he were a king, but none of them know why.

[identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
Yes...that is, Pratchett seems to be playing this one close. Sometimes he seems to hint that Carrot knows, other times Carrot is the oblivious copper on his beat. A little like Carrot and sex early on, before he hooked up with you-know-who (spoiler territory).

[identity profile] jonquil.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
C.J. Cherryh wrote a book that kicked that stereotype to bleeding shreds -- the starry-eyed girl who believes that the psychic horses have bonded with *her* kicks off hell on earth because of her delusions. And, no, they didn't.

Anybody remember the title?

[identity profile] janni.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
I've been fascinated with this for a while, though I don't know that I've done anything with that fascination yet.

I know that, more and more, I get impatient with books that treat the non-chosen characters badly. Every character is the hero of their own story; and non-chosen characters think this way too, and don't see the "special" characters as more important than them--nor, really, are they. And I think whether the author understands this can often show through in the writing.

Put more simply: the mundanes aren't evil. They aren't even unimportant. They're simply not the viewpoint that was chosen for this tale.

[identity profile] janni.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
They're simply not the viewpoint that was chosen for this tale.

In the stories where they're not chosen. Didn't mean to say they couldn't be chosen there--they could, and the author has to understand that when writing them, I think.

[identity profile] intertext.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 05:19 am (UTC)(link)
Oh my - the one McKillip I haven't read, though I know of it. Finding it might be an epic quest, though.

[identity profile] intertext.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 05:25 am (UTC)(link)
Re: the Dark is Rising: yes, that's an interesting example because the Drew children are mundane. And I think the "unchosen" aspect adds weight to that choice that Will Stanton gets to make at the end. They are not given that choice.

[identity profile] intertext.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
But wouldn't it be great if you could somehow deal with that conflict in the character's heart and make it not depressing.

[identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 05:49 am (UTC)(link)
Rider at the Gate and the marginally more cheerful sequel, Cloud's Rider. Although technically speaking, she actually is one of the Chosen ones... just not in a good way.

[identity profile] diony.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
I can't, exactly, think of any novels that both focus on the unchosen and allow them to remain unchosen by the end.

What springs to mind instead is a very good anime series I saw last year (based on a series of Japanese novels, but they haven't been translated into English yet, so I can't say how much similarity there is), in which two girls get teleported to a magical world yadda yadda, one of them is The Chosen One, and the other one isn't, and thinks she should be, and is manipulated by various people due to this belief until she eventually comes to the realisation that, no, she really isn't the Chosen One and would be much happier if she went back home and made friends and generally tried to be a reasonable human being. This is depicted as the hard-won result of painful personal growth and absolutely a victory for her.

Come to think of it, later in the same anime there's a story arc focusing on two other women, one of whom thinks all of her problems would go away if she was a Chosen One, the other of whom was the daughter of a Chosen One who screwed things up so badly that he got killed & thus his family became ordinary again. Both of them have to go through sufficient personal growth to understand and accept that they have meaningful choices and personal power and lives of their own without needing to be Chosen.

Eventually all the novels will be translated and I'll read them and then I'll know if they count.

[identity profile] intertext.livejournal.com 2007-05-27 06:20 am (UTC)(link)
oops, yes - I'd gotten him muddled. As you guessed, I was confusing him with Teren, and then got him wrong, too. Middle age :( it does fearful things to your brain...

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